When do you resign?

Submitted by Dozy on Fri, 02/20/2009 at 8:59pm.

On chess.com there's a lot of confusion among less experienced players about whether it's OK to resign, or whether they need to play the game out to the bitter end. Perish the thought! It's the Internet equivalent of wearing a hair shirt.

So, when is a position resignable?

For instance, would you resign one game when you were two pawns down but fight on without your queen in another? Is there a time you would continue to play even though mate was unavoidable? In the past ten days I've been in all three situations.

There was a touch of irony about the first two because the critical positions were reached on the same day and within a few minutes of each other. Both games were played against hypertroll.

In the first game he realised that with only the kings and pawns on the board, and with virtually no opportunity to stalemate, even Vishy Anand would have been forced to concede.  (Of course, Vishy wouldn't have been in this position in the first place, but that's academic.)

 


 

In our other game I had played defensively and had a very cramped position when I saw a chance and forked black's diagonally placed rooks. Winning the exchange wasn't going to help much and I didn't immediately rush to capture one—they weren't going anywhere just for the moment—and on move 42 pinned his queen. So did hypertroll throw up his hands in despair and resign? Not a chance! The difference between this game and the last was that there was still a lot of play left in the position, and black's central pawn chain held more poison that Lucrezia Borgia ever dreamed of. I won't say that Vishy couldn't have won with my pieces in this position but it was beyond me. It wasn't much of a game—at least on my part—but if you want to see how hypertroll won, you can play through it HERE.


 

If these two positions are typical (well, they're typical of my games, anyway) I conclude that whether or not it's appropriate to resign depends not so much on material advantage, but on the balance of forces in the position. I'll play on as long as there is even a whiff of counter-play; otherwise I quit—I was never one for self flagellation.

But there is another situation where I won't resign, even faced with inevitable defeat. If my opponent has a pretty combination or an attractive mate at his disposal I think he should have the opportunity to play it out. It's one of the rewards that keep us smiling at the chess board, even after a couple of bad games.

In the following position I had just captured the e-pawn without even considering my opponent's total domination of the white squares. It was obvious what he was going to do and “Resigns” would have been appropriate, but I knew he'd enjoy the mate, so I played on.


 

Over the past eighteen months there has been a fair amount of discussion on chess.com about when (or whether) to resign. I even had a query from a very young English player who said, “I don't know what to do. Do you mind if I resign?” In his case, and perhaps in the case of many other players who persevere beyond any reason, it's simply lack of experience. They don't realise that most games between strong players end in resignation (always assuming they're not drawn).

I wrote a little about this in Harakiri or a slow death but this is a slightly different slant on things.

What's your opinion? What are some other times you either would, or wouldn't, resign.

» posted in Dozy's Inferno
 

Comments:

by Dozy - 8 months ago
Blue Mountains Australia
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2136

Many thanks for all the comments and opinions. There are too many for me to address each in turn and I received a PM overnight from a guy who shall remain anonymous, since he would have posted here if he chose to be named. His PM was appreciated and, if I'd had it before posting this—an impossible thing to happen—I'd probably have named the post Bogeyman Chess.

Some of the responses were humorous like BoobyFisher's “if you're losing, drag out the game and give them a long wait before they can win”. At least, he didn't advocate using up all your vacation time before resigning.

Then there was Uritbon's plaintive, “i resign when even listening to beethoven doesn't calm my nerves over that last move”. LOL. Been there, done that Uri.

NivenJ's comment, “If you are down a considerable amount of material, have no way to promote, and the game is past 50 moves, then resignation might be in order” is reminiscent of a notice I saw at a country airstrip. “If one engine fails on a twin-engined aircraft there will still be enough power to get to the scene of the crash.”

Several comments were from people who obviously disagree with my “hair shirt” analogy and with those I have no argument. Like Phil_from_Blayney I think that “when there are no chances left” it's time to resign but, also like Phil, I don't expect my opponent to resign if he wants to play on. AtomicChicken is spot on when he says he will play on if there is any hope of counter play.

Mostly and Apolalypse74 both made the same point, albeit from a different point of view. “It depends on the playing strength of your opponent.” They're obviously correct, but I personally don't measure that playing strength by their rating, but on the ability they've shown in the current game . Somebody once quipped that it's not enough to be a grandmaster—you also have to play like a grandmaster. Even strong opponents can have an off day and sometimes it's possible to reclaim an apparently lost position.

Interrobang's post is worth reading and he makes several good points. I completely agree with him about playing the game to its logical conclusion; but we disagree about when that conclusion has been reached.

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For those of you who are interested, I'll append the PM received last night and add my response to it. This might help to answer the questions raised by PhilipN, Vishalpop1984 and jfrommel.

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Interesting games. On game 2, I have some problems with 45 Nxe3 and then losing another exchange (R for a B while not picking off the last center pawn?). Then after 50...d2, why not 51. Qxd2 and get rid of the pesky pawn? When I have time, I'll play a game on a board starting at move 44.

I realize the two pawns are a real threat; however, with good play you should be able to put some pressure on the B king and at worse pick off the two pawns while only losing one exchange.

ENDQUOTE

Thanks for the interest and the analysis.  Sometimes when I'm playing I get startled by shadows and see bogeymen lurking behind every move.  Having been forced to defend for the first half of the game, I may have still been in a psychologically defensive mode.  I don't remember exactly what was going through my mind at the time.

At move 43 I was trying to prevent the pawn fork at e2, but there were lots of complications which included the black's advanced knight and those two giant bishops that were ready to sweep in.  So there was probably a better way to play it but I certainly didn't find it.

Once again, on move 52, the fear factor came in.  If I took the pawn my queen would no longer be protecting c5 and the bogeyman was back threatening all sorts of insults to my exposed king which might well have resulted in mate, or in the loss of my queen.  Obviously the option I chose was worse than the alternative. 

Nobody likes posting a game in which they blundered as badly as I did here, but I thought it was a good illustration that sometimes it's worth playing on even when you've suffered a material disaster.

by jfrommel - 8 months ago
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 39

In the middle game, move 46 shouldn't have been Bg4 -- the better move is Rd3.

by apocalypse74 - 8 months ago
Israel
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 70

in my lvl of game most of it is about the oponient making mistaks so i usiely dont qwit... =]

even if i see i mate my oponient might not see it...

by Mostly - 8 months ago
Brooklyn United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 573

It also depends on the level of your opponent:  if I'm in a technical ending against a player rated 2200 or above I'll usually assume he knows how to convert the advantage and resign.  Otherwise I'll make them prove they know the technique before I stop playing for tricks.

 

And then there's also the "pretty mate" exception - I'll let a player execute a combination, instead of resigning.

by wood2643 - 8 months ago
dundee Scotland
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 28

Reading this has convinced me that I ought to resign from one of my games.

It is just that I am not a quitter normally!

by vishalpnp1984 - 8 months ago
New Delhi India
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 70

For the second game, Why your 51st move was Bd1 not Qxd2.

by uritbon - 8 months ago
tel aviv Israel
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1000

i resign when even listening to beethoven doesn't calm my nerves over that last move. just to save myself the heartache.

by Interrobang - 8 months ago
Taipei Taiwan
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 389

The leisure of measuring my games' time controls in terms of days stirs my idealistic bones with a compulsion to feel the responsibility to play every game to a logical conclusion: I adopt the attitude that I will only offer a draw when my opponent has demonstrated that I won't be able to win, and I will only resign when my opponent has demonstrated that I won't be able to draw...  Although, in practice, I usually prefer to delay my resignation until I'm finished understanding why I've lost.  ;)

by LelouchviBritannia19 - 8 months ago
United Kingdom
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 5

I prefer to let the opponent have his win, no matter how painful it is for me, even if the win isn't particularly exciting

by Niven42 - 8 months ago
West Lafayette, Indiana United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1152

If the game is proceeding at a decent pace, with no clear winner in sight (and I do mean checkmate), then there's no real reason to resign as long as passed pawns are on the board.

If you are down a considerable amount of material, have no way to promote, and the game is past 50 moves, then resignation might be in order. 

by Phil_from_Blayney - 8 months ago
Blayney, NSW Australia
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 256

I agree with you Dozy, once there isn't any play or chances left, it is time to resign. Though I don't expect any opponent to resign, it is their choice as to if and when they do.

by BoobyFisher8008 - 8 months ago
VA United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 600

  If the other player gets cocky, you usually drag the game out and make them think you have a trick up your sleeve, than let the game time out on the very last move before they can checkmate you to make them have a long wait to win, if it's live chess you abort the game right before they mate you lol.  I'm teasing, these are all the things you shouldn't do.  Cool

by PhilipN - 8 months ago
Oregon United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 809

I looked through that one game where you pinned and won hypertroll's Queen, and it looks as though after you lost the exchange later in the game, material was even, with the only difference that hypertroll was about to increase his material by 8 points by queening a pawn.  So no, the material imbalance was not enough to make for an even remotely resignable position; the tactic involving the Queen pin won you a Queen for a Rook and also lost the exchange, meaning that you were four material points up (Queen-Rook) and down two (the Exchange), meaning that you only won two material points through the Queen-winning tactic.

 

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