The good old (descriptive) days

Submitted by SonofPearl on Sun, 05/25/2008 at 1:14pm.

Once upon a time (especially in the US and UK) chess games were recorded using the beautiful descriptive notation.  I'm sure most players at Chess.com are well aware of this, but there may be some kids to whom this comes as a shock. 

This old method is less efficient and can more easily become ambiguous unless the author is careful, but it is nonetheless more poetic and compelling than the soulless algebraic notation that the young'uns insist on using because they know nothing else. Wink

When chess moves are portrayed in popular culture, you invariably hear moves announced as "Pawn to King's Four" or "Knight to Queen's Bishop Three", using the evocative descriptive notation.  For dramatic effect such language beats, "e2 to e4" and "Knight b1 to c3" hands down.

I'm not suggesting that we go back to descriptive notation - algebraic is neater, quicker and fits into the modern computer age better.  However, I would like to appeal to all those who ignore or disrespect the old notation - please make an effort to learn to read it.  It may be different from what you're used to, but it's not difficult to learn and many great old books in the descriptive format can be picked up cheaply.

Having been brought up with descriptive notation, I consider it my native chess 'tongue'.  I find that I can picture the moves of a game more easily if I read them in descriptive notation.  Hang on a minute, that's it - I've finally worked out my ultimate excuse for why I lose at chess - I'm playing in a 'second' language. Wink

Long live descriptive notation! Laughing


 

Comments:

by Loomis - 7 months ago
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
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I agree with batgirl that there is value in some things being true from both sides of the board. For example, "it's dangerous for queens to take knight pawns." Try saying that in algebraic! Or the famous "A knight on King 6 is like a bone in the throat". How about "A fianchetto is when the bishop is developed to Knight 2"; this is true for all 4 bishops! Try being that efficient in algebraic notation. You could probably think up dozens of these.
by PerfectGent - 7 months ago
St Andrews Scotland
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1074

i too was bought up on descriptive. So whilst i can follow the old books I must admit i prefer algebraic for everyday  play. Although when annotating games I, like normajeanyates, use a mix of the descriptive and algerbraic.

i much prefer the idea of BxQ rather than Bxe5 say. 

I agree that all should become familiar with it as there are many cheap books to be had in second hand bookshops. 


by normajeanyates - 7 months ago
london [often in calcutta india] England
Member Since: Jan 2008
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though i am english and have never visited the USA, i leant chess in descriptive (36 years ago) - i still slip when i am writing algebraic in posts :) eg ..d3 for..d6 -

my present ideolect in which i write doen ideas for myself only is an algebraic-descriptive hybrid - e.g if piece is captured i dont write Nxe4 - i write NxQ [or NxQe4 if there are two quuens captureable by knights :) ]


by ozindell - 7 months ago
Vernal, Utah United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 3
I first learned algebraic, then I picked up Ruben Fine's "The Ideas Behind The Chess Openings", which is written in descriptive. At first it was hard for me to follow, but then I fliped the board around to study from blacks point of view and found the benifit to descriptive. I use a cheap board to study and have used a marker to label each square in algebraic, but descriptive is easier to follow while reading, for me at least.
by mrwrangler - 7 months ago
Fort Worth United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 51

If I remember correctly isnt there a third style of notation that ia hardly used anymore where each sqaure is uniquely numbered. a1 I believe was 11 and a8 was 18. h1 was 81 and  h8 is 88. So the move of a pawn fom e2-e4,  algebrically represent by e4, decsriptively P- K4 and by the last as 52-54. The black reply of e5 would be 57-55. I may just be dreaming this after all I went through the 60's as a teen.

I have never seen it used but I think I saw it in a book.

I have to admit I first learned descriptive, but after several games that I messed up the notation and was unable to recreate the game as played I switched. 


by batgirl - 7 months ago
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 3264

I learned algebraic notation when I first learned to play. While I can, of course, read descriptive notation, I don't find it easy and much prefer algebraic. But, the odd part is, if I'm playing with a friend who isn't so into chess that he knows any notation, I resort to descriptive notation in discussing the game. People for whom "Nc3" is meaningless, easily comprehend "Knight to Bishop three."

One attribute of descriptive notation that you didn't mention is that it works exactly the same from either White's or Black's perspective. Unlike most people who seem to have no problem with this, when I play Black, I sometimes mess up the notation from looking at the board upside down. With descriptive notation, that's not an issue. "Knight to Bishop Three" is the same whether you're White or Black.

A second reason to learn descriptive notation is that many fine books have been written in that notation and have never been, and never will be, modernized.

 Thanks for the posting.


by Azoth - 7 months ago
Ecatepec Estado de Mexico Mexico
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 343
When i 1st learn about chess  it was on algrebraic notation, i knew the exisence of descriptive notation but i've never see it, not even in books, after i saw this post and look to your diagram i tryed to figure out a good point of this description but i failed to do it. i dont see any good point about it compared to the algebraic notation. And the point about the nostalgic feeling seems to me like feeling sad becouse now we use calculator instead abacus, sorry i fail to see the point Foot in mouth.
by ashataranj - 7 months ago
alabama United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 17

the first language i learned was the descriptive .. but i soon transferred to the algebraic and for a long time never looked back .. however, i'm now completing chernev's .. logical chess move by move .. in the old notation .. and i have come to admire it  .. i know the algebraic is more efficient .. but when you say queen five .. it has a meaning which is the same for white and for black .. but to say it in in the algebraic .. you have to say one thing for white and another for black ..

 i know there is no going back to the old style .. but i can't help but feel something was lost in translation


by mytself - 7 months ago
youngstown,ohio United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 653
I also grew up on the "old language". When I picked the game up again to teach my grandson, there was difficulty in not seeing an e4 from both sides. Even now with some of my posts I have to double check to make sure the numbers aren't xposed.
by lostapiece - 7 months ago
tamworth,capital of mercia England
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Member Points: 3660
sorry ,like metric (i hate to admit some one french actually did something beneficial !)modern notation is simply better
by Blackadder - 7 months ago
United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 62

Algebraic is just plain better....

 

Who the f*** cares about 'poetry' when you can have ruthless efficiency?


by Rael - 7 months ago
Calgary, Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4045

I can only use algebraic and the descriptive frustrates me for some reason - but it is too bad, I've frequented used bookstores that have excellent reasources but it's not in my "language".

I will admit I can understand the nostalgia for it. It is much more regal sounding - it's evocative of ownership (ie. "The King's Pawn") and it harkens back to the days before computers streamlined the system.

I don't know if I'll ever learn it, but I do like to see it championed. Cool post, SonofPearl.


by kenytiger - 7 months ago
United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1060
I personally like the descriptive notation better. It was hard for me to get used to the Algebraic, but that's what everyone uses today, and you know the deal; In this case you cannot beat them, you have to join them.
by Bantu_negro - 7 months ago
Sal Rei Cape Verde
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 71
Very easy the beautiful descriptive notation. Embarassed But the old French notation in he journal La Régence? It is so difficult! Surprised
by Evil_Homer - 7 months ago
Dublin Ireland
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Member Points: 1528
Very interesting, thanks.
 

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