What a Tangled Web. . .

Submitted by batgirl on Fri, 06/26/2009 at 10:03pm.

What was Germany like during WWII ?  What was chess like within the confines of the Reich?  What do we know? How much of that can we trust?

No matter how deep I try to dig or how much elbow grease I apply,  I can barely scratch the surface. The very existence of a government such as Nazi Germany is an absurdity to my mind and I fail in all my feeble attempts to understand the time.

It goes without saying that Jews were barred from playing since they had been banned from der Großdeutsche Schachbund (the Greater Chess Federation) as early as 1933 (including Walter Robinow, the President of the German Chess Federation).

Alekhine played in Nazi tournaments and  anti-semetic articles were published under his name.  In a 1981 interview conducted by GM Hans Bouwmeester for Chess magazine, Max Euwe, who seemed sigularly unimpressed with Capablanca, was very empathetic towards Alekhine while acknowledging Alekhine's dislike of Jews.
"Alekhine had a very difficult life. All in all, he was always very correct with me. He stayed with me during our match in 1926 on the eve of his match with Capablanca. In 1935, when I played him the Dutch press was against him and he had his problems with the committee who numbered some hard, strict men - maybe justifiably."
. . .
"After he beat Lasker at Zurich he said something like "the Jew has had another lesson!"
B: So he was already anti-semitic in 1934? (...)
E: Tartakover was a very interesting man - a paradox. A fine, often trenchant, writer. When, in London in 1946 Alekhine's collaboration with the Nazis came into question, Tartakover maintained that it was not for us but for the French Government to judge the case. That Alekhine was anti-semitic, we have all known since 1934."
. . .
"B: Is it true that during the second world war he spent a lot of time
with the Nazi Governor Frank?

E: That is certainly true. Frank was friendly with Bogolyubov and they played chess together. It seems to me they just wanted to play chess.
Alekhine may have hoped the Germans would win because he owned several houses in Leningrad. As things went, he lost everything..."

In Checkmate in Prague, Ludek Pachman wrote about Alekhine:
"I think it shouldn't be forgotten that Alekine went so far and played skittles with the Nazi Dr Frank, highest commander in Poland at his side as a partner against another couple often with Bogoljubow as the other GM.  At the end of the war Dr Frank was sentenced to death as a war criminal. So you might understand that he wasn't exactly the director of the Red Cross at the time ...

The question still exists if you don't have a special responsibility if you're educated. Sure, you don't have to see the freight cars full of people (i.e. Jews) locked up like cattle to understand that something is going wrong. As a Doctor of Jurisprudence Alekhine should have known what the politics of extinction "finally" meant against the Jews. He must have had experience with the question when he wrote his articles ...

So, this sort of excuse doesn't function. Because you live in an ivory tower full of luxury you're unable to judge possible inhuman developments?  I wouldn't say so. If you're smart enough and well educated to reach a living standard including a certain isolation, you're *smart* enough to read newspapers and to think for yourself ...

One thing's for sure. The Nazis didn't *hide* what they wanted to do with the Jews. They shouted it in their public speeches and they printed it in newspapers. And last but not least Hitler had written it in his book 15 years earlier ..."

 

 Pachman also wrote about his impression of Ehrhardt Post (Alfred M. Ehrhardt Post), Chief Executive of the Großdeutscher Schachbund.
Pachman, who was 17 at the time when he played in the 1943 Prague tournament, notes -
"My finish in the tournament was not as glorious. Alekhine and Keres of course prevailed over me -- supposedly in quite interesting games; but to
a youth only interesting games are those he wins. ... At the end I finished 10th out of 21 players. This was generally considered to be a sensational success. Alekhine wrote well about me in Frankfurter Zeitung. At the end of the tournament, I got invited to a trip to The Reich. I need to write about that in a greater detail :

The closing ceremony was quite, well, ceremonious. The prizes were given out by the Premier of the Protectorate Bohmen and Mahren government Krejci. Moreover, IM Ehrhardt Post, the chairman of Deutscher Schachbund and of the so called "Europa Schachbund", came from Berlin to give the ceremonial speech He was very courtious, praised Czechs and Czech chessplayers and golden Prague -- not a word about the New Europe or Final Victory. Then he gave away the prizes. First, everyone thanked by a small bow to Krejci and a hand shake with Post. Two Czech masters, however, when they arrived at the podium, clicked perfectly their heels and raised their right hands. One of them shall be forgiven, he is dead now. The other is now politically very up to snuff. . .
After the passing of the prizes in 1943, Her Post called me up and in the presence of two or three others he told me that he realy liked my play and that he'd like to invite me to a tournament in Germany. He completely knocked the wind out me. I started to stutter that this was not possible, that I had high school exams coming up, that right after that I had to start working, that I could not possibly have taken any such longer time off, that I thanked him, that, perhaps, after the War was over...

Post caught on, looked at me and said: "Sehr gut und viel Erfolge," and he let me go in good graces. The claim is that he a was Nazi, but certainly he was a decent man! I heard that he also managed to fight off all attempts to swallow the German Chess Union into that less-than-stellar organization KdF. ..." 

          Ehrardt Post
                 Ehrhardt Post
                 Adolf Hitler
                            Adolf Hitler

      Post somewhat resembled Hitler in appearance but not in character.

Ehrhardt Post was born in 1881. While he was a strong player, scoring well in some important tournaments between 1902-1907, a couple in the next decade and a few between 1921-1923, his greatest impact was that of a chess organizer, putting together such tournaments as the first and second European tournaments (Stuttgart 1939 and Munich 1941), Salzburg 1942, Munich 1942 and Salzburg 1943.

 

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by batgirl - 4 months ago
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Intltax1957,
Berr, along with her mother and father, were deported on her 23rd birthday, March 27, 1944. Hélènesurvived a year at Bergen-Belsen befor contracting typhus. According to her sister, one morning she couldn't get out of bed for revery and when the others returned to the barracks, she was found dead in a pool of blood, having been badly beaten - apparently for not getting up.

by intltax57 - 4 months ago
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Hi, you are correct that the "57" in my Chess.com name refers to the year "1957."  Bargirl might be more fun, although at least Batman's "caves" always look comfortable.  Thanks for the addition to your post on the original topic..I had never heard of Berr.  Do you know anything of the circumstances around her death by beating?  I assume the perpetrators were soldiers of the camp?

This may have nothing to do with Berr, but were women prisoners in these camps often sexually abused by their captors (or even fellow prisoners)?  I have at times wondered about the particular vulnerabilities that women prisoners in these camps faced.

by batgirl - 4 months ago
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NJY, some burdens are much easier borne than others.

Intltax1957, being Bargirl really sounds like fun. Night clubs would replace night caves.  These caves do get cold and clammy.

 

I now wanted to add something concerning my original posting.  While I've had this and other information for years, I've never felt too inclined to discuss certain things even with their connection to chess. But I had just finished reading the Journal of Hélène Berr, a young French woman who eventually died in a Nazi concentration camp.  She is often compared to Anne Frank and is even touted as the French version of that diarist. Indeed, she and Anne Frank have some similarities in that Berr kept her journal from April 7, 1942 to Feb 15,1944 while Frank kept her diary from June 12, 1942 to Aug. 1, 1944. Frank was arrested in March 1944, deported to Bergen-Belsen where she died of typhus that same month. Berr was arrested in March 1944 deported to Begen-Belsen  where she contracted typhus, then beaten to death that same month.  Bergen-Belsen was liberated a few weeks later on April 15, 1944.  Berr, contrary to Frank, was an adult women attending the Sorbonne studying liturature. She was an intellectual and an accomplished musician. Their lives were entirely dissimilar.   Berr's story brought home to me the absurdity of that era in a way that Anne Frank's touchng story, for whatever reason, never did. 

by intltax57 - 4 months ago
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My use of typos must be endearing (I hope).  I meant Batgirl, not Bargirl.

by intltax57 - 4 months ago
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I LOVE Bargirl (wll, uhhhh, not really)

by normajeanyates - 4 months ago
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intltax57 , batgirl's use of language (and sense of proportion) is light-years ahead of mine..

Ooops unabashed praise again ;)

by intltax57 - 4 months ago
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Now that we have flipped, at least momentarily, from flames to unabashed praise, while drifting away from the subject some, please allow me to slip in, NJY, I enjoy your use of the language.  Thinkng in my original Kentuckian, I would say "That girl shore is a smart 'un!"

You will be relieved to know I am, however, leaving you off my Favorite People list (for now)!

by normajeanyates - 4 months ago
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Oh sorry batgirl it wasnt my intention to burden you wth anything. Dont know what to do now - can't retract that 'favourite people' thing - that wouldn't be honest. Shouldnt have said it in the first place, shouldve kept it to myself.

As for 'mystical', I probably use the term in a much more wider sense than most people do: pardon me one or two linguistic idiosyncracies of mine.

'almost as if a full circle has been completed' - now that is beautiful expression!

by JG27Pyth - 4 months ago
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As always Batgirl, your article was excellent. I've always been a bit mystified in the past to hear  Alekhine's anti-semitism discussed in any sort of shocked or surprised tone... He was an old school Russian aristocrat -- anti-semitism was expected of him , a part of his culture.  Which is not to say that Alekhine should be absolved of all responsibility, but it would have taken a shaggy-haired free-thinking Tolstoyian streak for him to have not been very pre-disposed toward anti-semitism.

by batgirl - 4 months ago
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NJY,  I'm not sure I feel mystical, but I find such connections somehow gratifying, almost as if a full circle has been completed. But as you say, they should be simply noted and accepted but not analyzed.

I'm in your top 20 favorite persons??  I feel definitely honored and suddenly burdened with the weight of some responsibility that I can't define. 

by normajeanyates - 4 months ago
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re batgirl's post "interesting coincidence. . . [...]  But then my friend reminded me that a while back we had discussed the fact that Leibovitz had once been Susan Sontag's lover - then this afternoon I see Sontag being mentioned on my blog completely out of the blue. . . "

I feel mystical about such synchronicities, and I prize that feeling (knowing fully well that statistically speaking, the miracle would be if they didn't occur- but who ever said 'hey, a funny thing happened today - remember, lat week we spent so much time discussing Susan Sontag's essay-collection 'illness as metaphor'? Today I scanned all the papers, watched TV, looked at chess.com posts - and there was absolutely nothing related to susan or tuberculosis or AIDS or cancer [the case-study illnesses of that book] anywhere.. how weird!)... if one started interpreting these mystical feelings one would be in danger of deluding oneself that one had precognitive or some other 'supernatural' powers..

so, mystical is good enough for me. Who needs praeternatural?

22 years ago [since I am - many are - prone to real mystical experiences and seem to attract these mystical synchronicities (not this one, this one was batgirl's synchronicity-experience)] someone strongly advised me never to interpret them. I often remember him (it was a he - an american [US] hippie)  with gratitude though I only spent a total of 6 hours with him (getting stoned and talking, that's all..) - it occurred to neither of us to ask so much as the other's name - names didnt matter..

I've read most essays of Sontag maybe 10 times and each reading opens up a new world... and some people think leftwing writers are boring. (What used to be called 'Socialist Realism' was boring and empty, but that is quite another thing...)

by dashkee94 - 4 months ago
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Thanks, batgirl, for another interesting post.  Too bad we have some children here who don't seem to know how to respond intelligently.

While I understand your disbelief at the Nazis rise to power, the technique was simple: demonize, separate, conquer.  This has worked throughout history, and still works today--just look at the reservation system here in the US.  "For evil to succeed, it is only neccessary for good men to do nothing."  That is how the Nazis came to power--not by appealing to the "better angles of our nature," but by exploiting fear, hatred, and ignorance.  Unfortunately, it seems to work where ever it is tried.

As far as Alekhine goes, I treat him the same way I treat Fischer.  Study the games, not the man.  Good chess is good chess, even if played by flawed people.  I have very high opinions of them as players, but very low opinions of them as human beings.  Some may consider this a cop-out, but I am me, and I don't hate on demand.

Thanks again, and I wonder what your next post will be--chess in North Korea?  You rock, kiddo.

by batgirl - 4 months ago
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Interesting coincidence. . .  just last night my best friend mentioned that she borrowed a video from the library called Annie Leibovitz, Life Through a Lens.  I'm not particulalry knowledgeable about photographers, but I recognized Leibovitz whom I knew had photographed a lot of celebrities.  I had just recently read something about her but I couldn't remember where so I asked my friend if she had directed me to something by Leibovitz.  At first she said no, that she never directed me to anything by Leibovitz so I surmised that Leibovtz must have taken the photos of Bob Dylan and Joan Baez that I'd looked at not too long ago.  But then my friend reminded me that a while back we had discussed the fact that Leibovitz had once been Susan Sontag's lover - then this afternoon I see Sontag being mentioned on my blog completely out of the blue. . .

by normajeanyates - 4 months ago
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X-no-archive

[Oh X-no-archive won't work here, I wish this were usenet so that it disappeared after 14 days or so...]

Hell, let me feed the troll some more. Absolutely last time.

flame-troll wrote> you are so predictable.

I am? The last number I thought of was 11^131^(1434523461th prime) + sqrt(23+pi^Ramsay[7,7])+ 234. Please predict the next number I will think of.

by gretagarbo - 4 months ago
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gretagarbo wrote> Well, Norma, I get the feeling that you despise Americans.   And after we saved your ass during WWII…

that's whacko, glue-sniffing brain-damaged stuff, maan!!! and obviously untrue:

you are so predictable.

by the way.  Susan Sontag was born in NYC NY USA.

by normajeanyates - 4 months ago
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EDIT: One post deleted, and this line and a few more added to this post: it is not that I forgot the usenet-day adage "don't feed the troll, specially a flame-troll" - it is that I was multitasking as always so I missed the flaming-troll sign. I was about to delete the following too, but ok, let it stay.

gretagarbo wrote> Well, Norma, I get the feeling that you despise Americans.   And after we saved your ass during WWII…

that's whacko, glue-sniffing brain-damaged stuff, maan!!! and obviously untrue:

1. I wasn't even born until almost two decades after WWII had ended.

2. I am a person, not a country.

3. Countries do not have arses.

4. As an anarchist, I am loyal to no country. I am a one-woman republic, and I am not particularly loyal to that republic, i.e. myself, either.

5. I am not upset by condemnation of horrors perpetrated by Britain; to the contrary, I publicise them as much as possible. But chess.com is so dominated by redneck US types, evengelical types, irrational types and  zionist types that here my primary targets - when I am in the mood to have targets here in that sense - are the USA [the State, not all its people!]

5. gretagarbo (and  others she didnt deign to name) saved the posterior of a nonexistent-because-unborn-during-WWII me ??? I repeat, that's whacko, glue-sniffing brain-damaged stuff, maan!!!

6. If someone ask me to name my favourite people: the top-20 list will contain my partner, Noam Chomsky, Woody Allen, Stephen Shalom, Edward Said,  Susan Sontag, Tariq Ali, Arundhati Roy, John Berger, Micheal Albert, .. and batgirl. So that is:

at least seven USA-ans , at least seven of them natural-born US-citizens [Edward Said was a natural-born US citizen (and a Christian by birth: he never changed his religious affiliation), so assuming batgirl is a natural-born USA-an, then: of the USA-ans I have listed only Sontag was not a natural-born US citizen: oh yes she was], and

at least five jewish USA-ans.

at least two Christians (Edward Said and Arundhati Roy) - perhaps that's unfair because Said was Christian only culturally [like the majority of Londoners], Roy probably not even that..

three atheists (my partner, Berger, and T. Ali - T.A. being a second-generation atheist just like me Smile )

Out of eleven I chose to mention.

'Anti-american'????????

Anti-USA, sure. And anti-UK, anti-Albania, anti-Fiji, anti-Monaco, anti-Saudi-Arabia, anti-Zimbabwe [A-Z]

because anti-State.

by RedSoxpawn - 4 months ago
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Thanks for sharing this Batgirl, I like reading your work. Keep it up.

by gretagarbo - 4 months ago
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"I dont know how to respond to exclamations, and I wouldn't even if I did."

I don’t know what you mean by exclamations.  Do you mean something like “All his life, Fischer was saner than most USA-ans.”?

"So I don't bite the bait."

I’m not trying to bait you, far from it.

 "I'll only point out that:

Being a holocaust denier is not being evil."

It certainly can be.

 "It  can just mean being out-of-touch with reality/history."


In other words, mentally ill ,which aptly classifies Fischer whom you claim was sane.

 "(How about deniers of USA-perpetrated-holocaust in vietnam, indonesia, honduras, costa rica, ... ???)"

 How about them the war protesters? The Nixon administration was publicizing and releasing information to sway opinion during the Vietnam war. Even people within the administration didn’t know the full extent of the damage and war crimes being committed.  When the the facts came out, people were outraged.  Read the pentagon papers.
 

"Being a holocaust justifier is evil."

 I believe Fischer  wanted to kill the Jews in spite of his denial of the Holocaust.

"(How about justifiers of USA-perpetrated-holocaust in vietnam, indonesia, honduras, costa rica, ... ???)"

  How about them? Is that the majority of Americans? Is that what you’re implying?


Well, Norma, I get the feeling that you despise Americans.   And after we saved your ass during WWII…

by Mischa - 4 months ago
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Judging history by modern standards is foolish once you start playing the blame game regarding ordinary people.  It even goes so far as to show the limitations of those who point the finger.

by intltax57 - 4 months ago
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Wow, Batgirl, another extraordinary piece from you!  I am sure I am one of many who appreciate your posts.

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