Alekhine’s Guinness record: five Queens on the chessboard – at the same time

Submitted by cgs on Sun, 08/23/2009 at 6:15am.

Generally there aren’t five Queens in a real chessgame. Earlier was demonstrated four Queens in my article. (Four Queens on the chessboard) Then was playing another chess giant: Andor Lilienthal.

Now Alekhine plays with Nikolay Grigoriev who was later the well known endgame expert. This game isn’t between 300 selected games of Alekhine in the book of Panov, but we can state that it’s the battle of two chess giant. Here is the diagram of five Queens. Let’s find the winning move of White! The Queens will remain on same fields.

By this position it occurs to me that in 896 AC the Hungarian arrived to Carpath Basin with seven leaders. In the chess we named the Queen as Leader. (From the Persian „vezir” word originated the Hungarian „vezér” what means the Leader) 1100 years ago here were seven leaders between Hungarian conquerors of the 9th century. There settled down seven Hungarian tribes without fight. 1100 years ago here is the Hungarian State and the nation speaks the ancient Hungarian language.

In this chessgame of Alekhine not the leaders settled the fight, but an other piece in the 24th move. It was the common sense.

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by chessbibliophile - 52 days ago
Bangalore India
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Alekhine’s writings occasionally ‘improved on’ the moves he had played, and  there are at least five games of score-tampering  according to E.G.Winter, chess historian:http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter25.html

The so-called 5 queens' game never took place according to Tim Krabbe:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess/al5q.htm

This is the reason why it is not included in any standard collection of Alekhine's games.

A better idea of Alekhine's brilliance can be had from this game:

http://www.chess.com/article/view/clash-of-titanspart-iii

by hic2482w - 2 months ago
Ottawa Canada
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Probably not because it probably has to be like an official OTB game thats recorded (just guessing here).

by ravster - 2 months ago
London England
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i have played a friend of mine and i won with 7 queens and a rook. is my record a guiness record?

by cgs - 2 months ago
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What Kacparov wrote we couldn't preclude the possibility of it. In the mean-time i found this game in the book of Alekhine (300 select games of Alekhine, Moscow 1954) in the original Russian edition in the note of a game. There is the Tarrasch - Alekhine game with the 41st number. There is the note of Alekhine for this game and he mentioned that he played this game in 1915. (Not mentioned the adversary). V. N. Panov who published this book comments after note of Alekhine that the 9.Qg4! move Grigoriev recommended and not clear that who was the adversary of Alekhine in this game. 

by Kacparov - 2 months ago
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Well, I read it in Garry Kasparov's "My Great Predecessors", so it may be true!

by Kacparov - 2 months ago
Torun Poland
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I've read that maybe it isn't a real game, but Alekhine's "puzzle". Anyone heard that?

by Kramnik92 - 2 months ago
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by cgs - 2 months ago
Veszprém Hungary
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Kramnik... lol.. that kramnik in Azerbaidjan. The Hungarian arrived from North from the Ural mountains - you arrived from India and the gipsies! You knows nothing from the history of central Europe. You have a pseudonym and a slovak nationalist! You cuold get one from me: my rear side.

I have hit it! This 17 years old boy is living in Slovakia and he don't knows the history and he don't knows the new slovak language law. Here is the law in English: http://peticio.nytud.hu

by Kramnik92 - 2 months ago
Baku Azerbaijan
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[COMMENT DELETEDfirst there is of course no law like you mentioned!!! where did you heard about it? it is lie clear lie .Of course hungarian people can speak their language in Slovakia ,second slovak people were here before hungarians and like you said hungarians came here without fight but there was not neighbour country like you said it was slav country where Hungarians were living.We olso didnt had even a piece of your theritorry after world war (you were attacking Slovak for more than 1000 years it was their theritorynot your homeland your homeland is somewhere in India and you even dont speak the same type of language as foreign countries are speaking(it is my opinion that hungarian language is the worst in the world it is something betwween mongoli and Indian i dont know olso Hungarian girls arent very beautiful slovak are considered as one of the most beatiful in the world .Third dont use chess to propagate your politic or nacionalism !!!
by cgs - 2 months ago
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by catalin_ionescu - 2 months ago
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Sorry, but I don't see the point of the intro text here. I see you are displeased with what the slovaks are doing in their country, but this isn't the right way to express that. Please don't mix the chess with history & politics.

Just let us enjoy (and learn from) this entertaining game !

by Nelso_125 - 2 months ago
Victoria Australia
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Amazing. Just amazing. And, if I may quote a word from a movie featuring a talking panda, that had pure awesomeness!

by cgs - 2 months ago
Veszprém Hungary
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The information of eric_b is interesting. He stated that this game (or at least the ending of it) was made up by Alekhine. The first link tryed prove it. I don't know the verify. This game i found in the book of a famous Russian chess historian Isaac Maksovich Linder. This is a Hungarian translation from 1983. The original Russian title of the book: "Estetica shahmat". Aesthethics of Chess. He stated that the game Alekhine played with the young Nikolay Grigoriev. He wrote after the last move (24.Rh6) double exclamation mark (!!). I omitted it accidentally.

by eric_B - 2 months ago
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There seems to be a consensus out there that this game (or at least the ending of it) was made up by Alekhine.  See http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess/al5qtxt.htm; or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Alekhine.

by Omicron - 2 months ago
Buenos Aires Argentina
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So how on earth do you actually PLAY this on a regular chess board? You'd need to be carrying arround a box full of queens just in case.

by olowas - 2 months ago
warsaw Poland
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brilliant last move. Like in a puzzle - the mate threat (Qd8) is not so obvious. Thanks for posting.

by febrilepawn - 2 months ago
appleton United States
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nice one !  thanks

by moki920 - 2 months ago
Croatia
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just a perfect pawn race. thanks for sharing this

by Tonyj123 - 2 months ago
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just a great game!

by Berzha - 2 months ago
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wow

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