IM Silman and the Latvian gambit

Submitted by farbror on Mon, 10/05/2009 at 6:04am.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IM Silman has written an excellent article on "Picking an Opening Style". Here is a quote from the article:

"Openings like 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Bc4 and 1.e4 c5 2.d4 (2.b4!?) 2…cxd4 3.c3 might prove appealing for White, while your Black repertoire could look something like this: 1.e4 e5 (1…d5 2.exd5 Nf6 is also fun) 2.Nf3 f5 and 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4."

It is sort of a surprise that IM Silman recommends the Latvian after a handful of rather sharp statements about the gambit on his website:

"To sum up: There are some theoretical opening lines where Black accepts an apparently miserable defensive task in the belief that it can be drawn after a long and dour defense. Apparently, this is the modern attitude taken in the Latvian Gambit. However, I'm left wondering why people choose to play the Latvian in the first place. Isn't this kind of gambit all about having fun and fighting for the initiative? If so, why would anyone wish to play a gambit that forces them to defend various pawn down endgames where they can make a draw at best?

It seems clear to me that the Latvian Gambit is refuted as a practical tournament choice." (source)

"Let’s be realistic. Black’s down a pawn and will have to suffer for a long, long time in the hope of sniveling a draw (which I don’t think he can achieve). On top of that, it’s not clear to me if White can’t improve somewhere earlier.


Sorry Latvian fans, but your opening is dead meat. Ah, what deep satisfaction. Excuse me while I enjoy a long, leisurely smoke." (source)

"My inability to kill this blasted opening isn’t surprising, since it seems that there are tens of thousands of Latvian Gambit fanatics who keep their computers working 24 hours a day on proving a draw in some groveling fashion. Before our first Latvian posting I didn’t care for this gambit one way or the other. Now I hate it with a passion and, when I hit my 80th birthday, fully intend to devote my remaining years in finding one final, catastrophic refutation to this blight on humanity (hopefully someone will beat me to the punch)." (source)

 

It would be very interesting to hear a little more about IM SIlman's view of the Latvian!

» posted in farbror's Blog
 

Comments:

by navigator1 - 50 days ago
Bern Switzerland
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 1

From Opening Book A. Suetin: All the playable moves Bc4, exf and Nxe5 are better for white and black will be in troubles.

@Diabeditor: "(1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Qe7)" - in this case white will play 4.Qh5+ g6 5. Nxg6 Qxe4+ 6.Be2 Nf6 7.Qh3 Rg8 8.Nc3, results in a better position for white... but maybe you've got a better line for black, i have study it just a little to know what to play with white :-).

by IM Silman - 52 days ago
Los Angeles United States
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by gxtmf1 - 52 days ago
Mundelein United States
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I think that Silman would like to refute it because when it comes time to play at the master level, it just doesn't help a player to as much to use it as would to know, for example, the Sicilian.There are sharper, more solid defenses out there that would be more beneficial to learn.
by bigdoug - 53 days ago
Connecticut United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 504

I have mostly come across the Latvian playing blitz, where the guy with Black knows all the lines and takes 5 seconds to play the first 30 moves.  I also feel honor bound to "refute" the opening, so with White I pretty much lose to it all the time.

by PerfectGent - 54 days ago
St Andrews Scotland
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1722

if the latvian is sooo bad then why do i keep winning with it?

and i dont mean otb, where it is a good surprise tool, but here online where proper research should refute it every time.

by chessbibliophile - 55 days ago
Bangalore India
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 838

Dear LatvianGambit,

 

I share your love for this opening. But  I would err on the side of  caution.Lein’s book is of 1995 vintage.I would still recommend Stefan Bücker’s  series of articles, Lower Life in the Latvian Gambit on ChessCafe web site(May, June and July 2009)The main reason is that he treats IM Silman’s  analysis in some depth.You do not need to be convinced about the Latvian.

But others who wish to see current status of theory should check these articles.

Here is the link:

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by LatvianGambit - 55 days ago
Beaumont, TX United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 17

Well, folks, as you can guess by my on-line profile, I'm a big fan of the Latvian Gambit!  It's fun to play and there is a "shock-value" to the opening because most players have never seen it before.  I would recommend a book on the Latvian Gambit titled "The Latvian Gambit:  A Grandmaster View" by GM Anatoly Lein.  It's the 500th Anniversary Edition of the Latvian Gambit.  GM Lein quotes GM Paul Keres who analyzed the Latvian Gambit and said "Experience shows that despite the first impressions, the Latvian Gambit is hard to refute and in many instances Black obtains good attacking chances."  No offense to IM Silman, but I would rather take GM Keres opinion rather than Silman's. The opening first appeared in chess literature in the 1490 Gottingen Manuscript, which was a rare parchment text that catalogued a few "popular" openings.  Greco played this opening very successfully back in 1620.  Much of his analysis is still good today.  The Latvian Gambit has stood the test of time!!  Sorry, Blueoct, you are dead wrong to say the Latvian Gambit is rubbish. 

by chessbibliophile - 56 days ago
Bangalore India
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 838

Dear friends,

I have a suggestion for all those who speak for or against the Latvian Gambit. It would not do any harm to see Stefan Bücker’s*  series of articles on this subject.

They were published on ChessCafe web site(May, June and July 2009).You would find it in the Archives under his column, Over the Horizons:

http://www.chesscafe.com/archives/archives.htm

 

*(He is the Editor of Kaissiber, a German chess magazine.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

by Eternal_Patzer - 56 days ago
United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 306

The question was asked by an OTB “B” player (USCF rating 1654).   I suspect that the Latvian is quite playable OTB at that level (although I hasten to add that despite being a B player myself I've never tried it -- but I'm a bit of a chicken Tongue out.) As Silman says in the original article: “Nevertheless, (the Latvian) is tricky, and offers Black good practical chances against an unprepared opponent. Though various “refutations” have appeared, fans of the gambit always find ways to keep Black alive (or so they claim), until gambit debunkers come up with new ways to kill it. Then Latvian aficionados fix it again, the debunkers kill it, and…well, it's a never-ending cycle.

by Diabeditor - 56 days ago
Edmonton Canada
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 644

I have pretty good results with the Latvian Gambit, as much as anything else with Black. Even the lines where the books will say "White is winning", I still feel in my comfort zone playing the Black side, and win games from those supposedly losing positions.

Even the old Greco line (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Qe7) White has to play 10 perfect moves to get any kind of advantage. OTB, he almost never does because it's not like players prepare against the Latvian too much. If he does, Black still has a more than playable game.

by Webhead - 56 days ago
Mississippi United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 243

The article was NOT "Openings I Recommend."  I think he was pointing out that if you are a gambit type of player, you might be interested in that particular line.  Obviously he's aware of many proponents of the opening.  He didn't say, "Hey, I like it and I'd be playing it every day if I were a gambit player."

Silman IS a fan of the Maroczy Bind.  Because he didn't mention that in this article, does that mean he's contradicting himself?

by Blueoct - 56 days ago
Germany
Member Since: Oct 2009
Member Points: 61

I am sorry to all Latvianfans, but: This gambit is simply RUBBISH

by Eiwob - 56 days ago
Norway
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 456

My guess is that he just tossed out some gambits that occured early in the opening (as mentioned), or that it was a tip for low-rated players.

by SisyphusOfChess - 56 days ago
Brainsin International
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 189

I am somewhat ambivalent about Silman. He's a good writer but not always consistently so. It seems obvious to me that in this case he's just tossing off a quick article to meet a deadline - or some similar circumstance.

 

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