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Here is a funny constructed chess position that is very difficult solve even for engines. 

White to move - mate in 15. For your information the white pawn is at h2. I have only found 1 engine that could solve this (I will not say which one!). But hey - maybe you can solve it without an engine yourself! Post your solutions if you get it and what engine you used.

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  • 3 weeks ago

    hamditou

    1.h3 Da2 2.h4 Da1 3.h5 Da2 4.h6 Da1 5.h7 Da2 6.h8=C Da1 7.Cf7 Da2 8.Cd8 Da1 9.Cb7 Da2 10.Cxc5 Da1 11.Ce4 Da2 12.Cd6 Da1 13.Cxc4 Da2 14.Ca5 Da1 15.Cxb3# 

  • 3 months ago

    ArmandoAzevedo

    I thought engines are not allowed....

  • 3 months ago

    Marnu123

    Found mate in 11. You must just push the pawn 1 square at a time. thus the queen will be on a1 and you can mate him. I didnt use a engine

  • 4 months ago

    ParekhAbhishekN

    ChessMaster solved it in less than 5 seconds!

     

    only movable peice in black is queen and traped so white will promot to KNIGHT and smother mate black.

  • 14 months ago

    zaifrun

    To the reader posting the mate in 5 moves...

    Remember that is it NOT black that is to mate white here. (and btw your sequence suggests less than optimal moves from white here).

    It is white that with optimal moves can mate black in 15 moves and no move sequence shorter than 15 moves can lead to white mating black (again assuming optimal play from Black here as well).

  • 14 months ago

    barbis

    cyrano found the solution (mate in 15) in 39 seconds.

  • 16 months ago

    Marcus_Leonardo_333

    An engine I am developing which has thus far defeated Deep Rybka 4 and Houdini 1.5 solved the problem in less than 10 seconds

    BTW there is a mate in 5 as well

    Kf2 e1=Q+

    Kxe1 Rxh2

    Kf1 Nd2+

    Kg1 Nf3+

    Kf1 Be2#

  • 18 months ago

    Carotino

    My new chess engine, Deep Saros 2.3-c2, found the solution in small time:

     

    M15 1.h3 Da2 2.h4 Da1 3.h5 Da2 4.h6 Da1 5.h7 Da2 6.h8=C Da1 7.Cf7 Da2 8.Cd8 Da1 9.Cb7 Da2 10.Cxc5 Da1 11.Ce4 Da2 12.Cd6 Da1 13.Cxc4 Da2 14.Ca5 Da1 15.Cxb3#  (46.91)

     

    CPU: AMD Turion X2 - 64bit

     

    Download Deep Saros for test: http://www.mediafire.com/?cq512le4hf4hgs0

     

    Carotino

  • 2 years ago

    zaifrun

    I also tried this problem on my own engine  - MEngine. As expected it does not find the correct solution, but only manages a draw.

  • 2 years ago

    zaifrun

    billwall, good work. I have tried with Shredder 12 - it also found the mate in 15. Fritz 11 did not and rybka 3 did not find it either.

  • 2 years ago

    zaifrun

    The mate in 14 line was wrong. It is mate in 15 as first stated. Remember - you should assume best play from black and white as always when solving mate problems. Yes, there is a mate in 14 if black does not play optimal.

  • 2 years ago

    zaifrun

    Mate in 14?

    Could you send me that line so I can veryify that claim - all engines that have solved it says mate in 15 so I am bit sceptic.

  • 2 years ago

    Kaviros

    Its Mate in 14.Togall found it.

    Hint.(Queen must not be in a2 when crusial check arrives..).

  • 2 years ago

    Magnetohead

    rich - that is actually an interesting observation. We should try and add that aspect to our engines: the ability to simply disbelief a given position due to lack of realism. Should save well on the amount of necessary calculations. 

    56. Nh8, [game aborted due to unrealism]

  • 2 years ago

    TiiK_ToK

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  • 2 years ago

    zaifrun

    billwall, thx. I have looked at other positions, but this seems to be the best I have found so far. There is a clear difference between engines on this one.

  • 2 years ago

    billwall

    Good test.  I tested it against over 50 UCI engines and 5 engines found the mate in 15 in less than 2 minutes.  The rest found the easy draw after queening.    Any other positions to test engines?  This was the first one that demonstrated a clear advantage with a mate in a short amount of time.  I tested the position against abrok, alichess, anmon, arason, ares, aristarch, baron, biglion, bright, booot, comet, crafty, cyrano, daydreamer, deep frenzee, delphil, ECE, firebird, fritz 10 and 12, fruit, gibbon, glass, glaurung, hamsters, Hiarcs 9, list, little thought, movei, N2, naum, patzer, pawny, pharaon, philou, pro deo, rubka 2.2 and 3.3, Shredder 7, simplex, slowchess, spark, spike, stockfish, sungorus, tao, toga, twisted logic, ufim, umko, wildcat, and zappa.  Anmon, Glauring, Hamsters, Movei and Pro Deo found the solution.   There are over 100 chess engines out there.  Anyone else tested their engines on this problem?

  • 2 years ago

    rich

    This wouldn't materialise in a real game.

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